03 November 2009

more on breastfeeding, feminism, cost, and value

A recent anonymous commenter on my post "Breastfeeding, Sexism, and Feminism" wrote:

I appreciate the balanced and compassionate approach you took to such a divisive issue. You have no idea how wigged out some people got about this.

One question that I have is if you considered your time as a part of the cost of breastfeeding? Formula is much cheaper if one considers the mother's time worth even minimum wage. We all know that breastfeeding is far more time-consuming and isolating than is bottle-feeding. Exclusive breastfeeding is a full-time job, and makes an ounce of breastmilk, according to some economists, about $1.33 per ounce.

Another question I have is if you considered the societal consequences of the push to exclusively breastfeed for six months? The result is that the mother almost inevitably has to place herself at the economic mercy of her spouse by terminating employment or committing a form of career suicide. Further, because we sideline our best and brightest, women are not making reasonable strides in gaining positions of power. We are still a tiny minority in legislative and executive branches of government and we are still only hold 12 CEO spots out of the fortune 500 companies. Think about all the billions of dollars, of all the corporate greed indulged in by drug and healthcare companies - and we have a say in none of that because we are home breastfeeding.
I agree with you that breastfeeding is not anti-feminist – far from it. And I agree with you even more, that instead it is our system that is anti-feminist. My final question is can we change the system while breastfeeding? The answer, regrettably, is a qualified no. For those women who have careers that will not suffer from spending six hours a day for six months in isolation, and for those who do not feel uncomfortable or experience severe pain – we should offer them our wholehearted encouragement. But for those of us who are battling for tenure or who are trying to make a crack in the glass ceiling, we must do what is best for our children – all of our children. We must understand that children thrive best (and this is borne out statistically) in societies and in families where there is gender–equality. In fact, gender equality is the chief predictor of a nation’s infant mortality. So, until we have enough power to insure our children, to keep the sovereignty of our bodies inviolable, we cannot afford to give the “enemy” (corporate, capitalist patriarchy – not men) so much as an inch. I believe that we should fight for our rights; we should work to make our nation one of gender equality, so that our daughters or granddaughters can chose to breastfeed or to bottle-feed without incurring economic risk and do so in public – without shame. We are 31 in the world in gender equality – behind South Africa, Sri Lanka, and Lithuania. I am confident that if we change that, increased breastfeeding will be just one of the ways in which our children will benefit.

For the record, btw, I breastfed exclusively and despite extreme pain and isolate for six months.

I appreciate how thoughtful your blog is, and I hope that this contributes to your thought process. It certainly is not offered in any way as criticism.
Thanks for the long, thoughtful comment. I'd like to make a few points in response, though of course I should start by saying we seem to agree in spirit: breastfeeding is ill-supported within our social structure and thus--because of this context--can involve unreasonable and deeply damaging demands on women. The ONLY reason long-term breastfeeding harms women's careers is because the structure of the US business and legal systems is sexist and (in many ways beyond this one) destructive of wellness and full human experience.

The question of cost and time matters in two different ways, I think:
  1. It makes sense to account for the financial value of a breastfeeding mother's time (which we can think of as productive and valid labor, of course, without implying that breastfeeding doesn't also involve love and pleasure--I love my students and take great pleasure in teaching and reading, but that doesn't mean it's not 'work' or lacks economic value).
  2. The practical implications of this value/cost vary from individual to individual and from family to family. In the original post, I wrote that "for me, breastfeeding was not at all oppressive or a sacrifice; it was the simplest, cheapest, most enjoyable way to feed our baby. That's not true for everyone, for every personality or family arrangement or work schedule, but it's also not an unimaginable or unrealistic perspective." On a practical level (not on the more philosophical or perhaps political/ethical level of value vs. taking-for-granted), I mean "cheapest" in that sentence to mean "easiest on my individual family's budget." I took zero leave time and continued teaching my normal load throughout our breastfeeding relationship, so breastfeeding cost me no money despite the value of my time. My partner and I decided we were financially able to have a child (which we very much wanted to do) in part because I would breastfeed, we used cloth diapers, we were able to continue working and doing research in a two-shift system that involved extremely little additional childcare, and so forth. So, while I put in a lot of extra hours breastfeeding--just as my partner put in a lot of extra hours changing and washing diapers, cooking nearly all rather than his usual half of our meals, etc., etc.-- I was still able to maintain my normal salary. (What suffered? Why, sleep, of course. But you've been there.)
Both these issues seem important to me and can be discussed without implying that the other is secondary or unimportant. I probably didn't speak enough to the first issue in my original post.

The point in this comment that concerns me, though, is the implication that breastfeeding must be "isolating." Part of this is personal experience--I simply breastfed wherever I happened to be: walking around the grocery with the baby in a sling, while I ran meetings when he was little, on campus during breaks between professional obligations, at friends' birthday parties, at restaurants, with my family, with my partner, with whomever, wherever. So I never found breastfeeding isolating or in any way a tether to my home. I certainly didn't "spend [...] six hours a day for six months in isolation" (let alone discomfort or pain). But the larger point is that there is absolutely no reason for "exclusive breastfeeding" to equal being "at home breastfeeding," trapped in the domestic space and excluded from political and economic agency.

In other words, I think it's extraordinarily important to realize--and act politically on the basis of the fact--that breastfeeding doesn't cause isolation, career loss, lack of access to political or economic power, or indeed ongoing physical pain. Instead, larger and alterable cultural realities--a lack of appropriate practical and social support for breastfeeding, a lack of genuine free choice with regard to infant feeding method, insane emotional and practical pressures on mothers, a sexist and classist culture, and inadequate family leave, childcare, etc.--cause those problems for many, many women. As I say in the original post: "Non-gender-based paid family leave (for people who need to care for aging relatives, ill spouses, etc. as well as for new babies), affordable high-quality childcare near parents' places of employment (or onsite childcare in the cases of large employers), and flexible work schedules (again, not just for parents, let alone just for mothers) would help eliminate the culturally-constructed conflict between breastfeeding and everything else many of us need: the ability to pursue professional and/or social activities; a fair division of domestic and parenting labor; strong relationships with other adults; a continued sense of self, personal autonomy, and self-worth, all of which actually can be enriched rather than torn apart by breastfeeding when the context makes sense."

14 comments:

Summer said...

Thank you for adressing this! I've heard the "isolation" comments before as a negative of breastfeeding, but I never did see them because I never felt isolation while I exclusively breastfed any of my children. Breastfeeding certainly did not keep me tethered to my home.

I wish this idea would go away, I think the fear that breastfeeding means isolation keeps many women who want to breastfeed from doing so.

TheFeministBreeder said...

That argument makes absolutely no sense to me, and it's clear the original poster got that nonsense from that horrible Hannah Rosin article. Her argument was totally backwards,and anybody who'd listen to it needs to sit down and rethink what the time spent with their children means. And in response to that ridiculous argument from Rosin, I said this:

"Does the author not realize that the baby will need to spend time eating one way or another? The time spent feeding the baby is a wash. That is, unless you’re also going to assign a dollar amount to hours spent feeding your baby formula too. You should, by the way, also calculate all the time spent washing and sterilizing bottles, mixing/measuring/heating formula (which is so much fun at 2 a.m.) and the travel time to and from the store to buy it. Boy, when you add all that up, sticking a kid on a boob seems like a much faster, ergo more cost-effective solution to feeding, wouldn’t you say Ms. Rosin?" Full response here: http://thefeministbreeder.typepad.com/the_feminist_breeder/2009/03/my-response-to-the-case-against-breastfeeding.html

I worked outside the home and spent approximately 4 hours a day pumping that milk... but that time did not COST me anything because I am an intelligent person capable of multi-tasking. All you have to do is get yourself a handsfree nursing bra and you can work WHILE you pump milk, just exactly like I did. (provided of course that you have a job conducive to that.)

If a mom isn't pumping, and she's simply talking about the time it takes to sit down and breastfeed directly then I say hello... you'd have to sit down and feed that baby any, no matter if the food is a boob, bottle, or solids. There is NO way that formula is "cheaper" based on the amount of time spent feeding baby. That argument is wholly incorrect.

And even if it wasn't, who cares? It's the way we were designed to be feeding our babies, and therefore worth it.

Hobo Mama said...

I agree with you and both your commenters so far, and I liked the thoughtful way you worded your response.

Breastfeeding should culturally become part of the normal fabric of daily life, so that women don't feel they have to stop anything to feed. I know new (SAH)mothers who plan their errands around which store has a nursing room. It's fine if they want and are able to do that, but I'd rather they felt free to breastfeed anywhere, so that everyone felt it was normal to breastfeed anywhere.

And TFB, that makes so much sense that formula feeding and breastfeeding are the same in terms of time spent. I guess the formula (or bottle-feeding in general) argument is that another person can do the feeding, freeing up the mother. But...like you've both said, you can manage to pump or breastfeed and do other meaningful tasks as well, and most mothers do want or need to be involved in the feeding of their young, regardless of whether they're breast or formula feeding.

Speaking of which, I'm being called away...

mammydiaries said...

How did we get to a point where feeding our child is something to be looked at in terms of financial loss?

I don't know what to say. It simply makes me incredibly sad (and angered) that mothering has become such a degraded occupation. That our society still insists that the only work worthy of respect and stature is that which has a pay cheque attached.

Why can we not take more pride in what only we as women can do?

jbrownlmt said...

Well said. I did not find breastfeeding "isolating" either. While my breastfeeding experience was sometimes negative because of societal pressure, I just stuck with it. I nursed for over 2 years. I find it odd that people push so hard to put a price tag on something that cannot be quantified. There cannot be enough said about the impact of nursing on the physical and mental health of the mother/baby relationship.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your wonderful post. I agree with the feminist breeder's comment (and FB, I loved your post in response to Rosin) - I'm always amazed when people talk about formula feeding as "easy." Sterilizing, washing, and handling all those bottles is a maddening amount of extra work. And of course calculating breastfeeding in terms of money lost while mother could be doing something else also implies that if she weren't breastfeeding *someone else* would be feeding her child. Because otherwise, wouldn't it be a financial wash, on top of which we'd have to calculate the outrageous price of the formula itself?

I'm also troubled by the way many feminists target breastfeeding as the problem. I appreciate the nuanced approach of the original commenter in making it clear that she doesn't believe that breastfeeding is really the problem. But why then join an argument that essentially insists that breastfeeding be abandoned in order to accommodate sexist corporate culture and unrealistic expectations for women? It's true until the inequities of the workplace (so beautifully detailed by FCS) are addressed, the rates of breastfeeding in this country are not going to go up significantly, but I for one will be fighting for all of it - my right for a work-family balance, for reasonable paid family leave, to breastfeed publicly, and to long term career success.

-Perpetua

Anonymous said...

I don't have a personal comment about breastfeeding since I'm still pregnant with my first.

But, I would like to say that there is really a good argument to be made against a system (working schedules, habits ans laws) that was created by men for men (and not in an evil purpose against women who were not working then. In this regard I can certainly feel the pain of women of my generation which have been told and taught from childhood that they were equals of men and that they could choose to be whatever they want, to do whatever they want and to seek every career. The reality of adulthood is different. You can certainly do and choose whatever you want, but nobody told you you will not be able to do everything at the same time. And some career choices have to be made in your early adult life in order to realize and some will commend exclusive efforts and time for years on.

I'm happy with my choice. I'll have kids. I'll breastfeed them. I'll (probably) never be in a career with high executive responsibilities, anyway not in a near future.

And I have to say that those choices were easier to make living in Québec,Canada were every worker have to pay for a state managed parenting insurance that give you (or your man, or both if you split) a FULL YEAR of parental leave (with a decent % of your income) with legal obligation from your employer to give you your job back after it.

Thanks for your blog,

Anik

emjaybee said...

But you know what? Formula *is* easier. Not better. But easier. If you're having breastfeeding trouble and no one in your family breastfed, so you have no one to call, and the baby is hungry, formula looks so so easy. (and no one really sterilizes for long). Breastpumping is a lot more work than mixing up bottles of formula for whoever's going to be watching your baby. And you don't have to tote around a pump or find a time and place at work to pump. Or wear pads. Or deal with mastitis, or thrush, or engorgement, or worrying about taking meds that get into breastmilk.

It's not just societal pressure, it's lack of support for breastfeeding. Ideally, new moms who've never breastfed should be surrounded by experienced moms to help them, nurse with them so they can see it in action, share stories and encourage them. Because one of the loneliest feelings in the world is trying and failing to feed a hungry baby in the middle of the night when you just can't seem to get it to work, and there's no one to help you.

I think that's what the "isolation" part is about; we just throw parents into the pool, send them home with their children, tell them not to screw up, and then offer them zero help and just expect them to cope.

Anonymous said...

@enjaybe - you're totally right. I think the failure of the "breast is best" campaign rests largely on how it asserts the superiority of breastfeeding while maintaining a system in which women are given no information or support about BF. Even most hospital policies are hostile to early BF, and most of the women I know tell horror stories about the misinformation they've been given by physicians, nurses and even lactation consultants. Doctors can't even give reliable information about which medications are safe to take while BF! You have to look it up yourself! In addition to which there is a general social disapproval of public BF that makes many women feel ashamed/reluctant to BF publicly. All these things make BF, especially in the early most difficult weeks sometimes unbearable. (hence, feelings of isolation.) Work policies aren't the only problem.

(Though I would also like to add once a BFing mother gets through those early weeks and BF is going smoothly, IMO, BF is way easier than bottle feeding - just hook 'em up. And not everyone has problems with latch, supply, mastitis, thrush, etc.)

-Perpetua

Molly said...

emjaybee: Yes--that makes sense. And it is certainly true that "one of the loneliest feelings in the world is trying and failing to feed a hungry baby in the middle of the night when you just can't seem to get it to work, and there's no one to help you." I'd add that lots of things about parenting (and, in most families, particularly mothering) in our culture involve "the loneliest feelings in the world"--trying and failing all by yourself to figure out why a baby just won't sleep, for instance, or spending a whole afternoon alone unable to make him or her stop crying. On a small level, my reaction to that is to tell friends to call me at any hour when they're overwhelmed and/or lonesome and/or at the end of their ropes, and to hope they take me at my word. But obviously cultural expectations, standards, and habits need to change at a much larger level than that.

Daizy said...

Just some quick perspectives, I feel slightly qualified as I have been on two sides of the coin - from being a single mother who breastfed my first until 3.5 years of age and from a now-married mother of an 18 month old infant who is still breastfeeding while I work two part time jobs as well as numerous outside commitments...

There is virtually no such thing as isolation in my world. I sleep with my child and attach my child from the moment I walk in the door to the house until we leave. It's been that way since birth. But I still have a VERY active life and career outside of the home.

I do this with the help of my husband, who does cooking and cleaning as well as taking on his own full time career and a band. Neither of us would say we're "isolated" - we stay home more than others in our social circle, even among the attachment group.

We just work very closely with our google calendar and make decisions based on our availability for outings. Being highly disorganized people for the most part - we're lucky that we can synchronize our lives to our childrens needs and our needs. We made the decision when we had kids not to isolate ourselves.

We make it work - but we don't have a spotless house, a raked yard, and meticulously clean bedrooms.

With my first, even as a single (and dating) mom I was able to maintain a pretty active life. I breastfed my child when I was home, and once we started solids she ate other foods while I was away. I wasn't able to leave for more than a few hours at a time for the first six months, but even in the very beginning I would slip out with the help of family for short periods.

You can do it, it's not difficult! I'm a registered nurse who struggled through a degree with a nursling. So proud I did it.

Anonymous said...

I was the original anonymous poster and I would like to respond. First, thank Molly for another respectful and considered piece. I will be mulling it over in the weeks to come.

I have a genuine concern based on a realistic look at the role of women in our society. We hold less than 2% of powerful positions in our nation. Think about what we could accomplish for mothers, for babies for each other if we were able to even bump that up to 20%. Does the ethic of total mothering prevent us from Ultimate Mothering, in which we provide a nurturing context for our culture?

But more than anything, I am becoming very curious about how breastfeeding is presented, performed and advocated. . I want to stress that I am curious and a little puzzled by some of these things, and I am not, repeat not attacking or criticizing.

For example, I am curious about how we analyze risk, and how different risk-analysis is in the breastfeeding debate as opposed to, say, the issue of helmets. Helmets, supposedly, avert risk by preventing actual injury. Risk is danger or injury avoided, not benefit unrealized. So why, then, do we have federally sponsored advertisements which equate bottle-feeding to riding a mechanical bull while in the last trimester of pregnancy? Even if we find compelling the data which suggest that breastfeeding is beneficial to babies, there are no data which even imply that bottle-feeding poses a serious risk in developed nations. Why do we, in this fairly isolated case, define risk as benefit unrealized?

I am also confused by the ways in which the benefits of human milk are conflated with the benefits of the social/emotional act of breastfeeding in research studies. There are absolutely no studies in which the two issues are examined separately, and yet the implications are huge. If the true benefit of breastfeeding is the social/emotional act, than pumping is a waste of time. Further, if one of the benefits of human milk is, as suggested in Mothering magazine, that it contains hormones which help to regulate an infant’s circadian rhythm, then feeding a child pumped breast-milk could actually be causing problems. Again, I am not critical; I am curious. There is so much we don’t know. And even exploring this one distinction could give us a wealth of important information.

Anonymous said...

As I said in the last post, I am the original poster, and I would now like to respond to FeministBreeder.

For starters, I assure you that I did not, in fact, get my particular nonsense from anyone else. My nonsense is original, thank you. Or at least it is as original as ideas can be, especially when one has spent the past six weeks reading reams of scholarly research and feminist discourses which are, incidentally, overwhelmingly pro-breastfeeding.

As I said, I breastfed exclusively and I am genuinely curious and interested in understanding all of the cultural and emotional significance of this issue. However, your response to my concern was to suggest that I should "rethink what [my] time spent with [my] children means." The implication here is quite obvious: I must have values that are not congruent with good mothering. In other words, you are implying that to have made such an argument, I must be a bad mother.

Your response hurts and angers me, but most of all, it frustrates me. Discussions about breastfeeding so often end with accusations of bad mothering being flung or in this case, covertly lobbed. Not only is this sort of covert sniping hurtful, it is counterproductive. Such arguments are called "straw-man fallacies."
A straw-man argument serves to deflect attention away from the factual merits or philosophical merits of an argument by casting aspersions on the person taking an opposing position. Implied or over accusations of “bad mothering” offer nothing of value, especially when inserted into what we had here, a respectful, intelligent and compassionate discussion. The straw-man technique is often used in breastfeeding discussions, and I am unwilling to allow it to go unchallenged.

However, since you covertly introduced the topic of my mothering, I will respond. As it happens, I am done parenting, and since my children are now young adults, the results of my methods are readily observable.

My children are quite healthy, loving, kind and intelligent. They have made and continue to make good choices, despite an often hostile culture. Even throughout their teen years, we maintained a strong and loving connection. Our relationship was so strong and their respect for me was so great, that I became the unofficial counselor to most of their friends. My children are people whom I truly like and admire. I am especially proud that they have formed good relationships with their peers and with potential mates and they are making positive contributions to their communities. Simply put, my kids are far more healthy, well-adjusted and just plain cool than any child of mine has the right to be. While some of this can be attributed to biology or to the influence of other people in their lives, I believe that at least some of the credit for these amazing people must be given to my mothering skills.

If the goal of breastfeeding and of mothering in general is to produce connected, loving, responsible and moral children, then I have succeeded and my insight should be valued. However, I am beginning to believe that the discourse about breastfeeding is more a covert religious and political debate than an honest discussion about how our families can be best nurtured.

Anonymous said...

One last note about my mothering: I disclosed in my original post that I breastfed one child exclusively for six months. The other child, however, was exclusively bottle-fed. They are equally well-adjusted and loving. The only differences are that the breastfed child has an IQ that is two points higher, and, ironically, the bottle-fed child is much healthier This is likely just a coincidence, but it certainly defies statistics.